Morning Walk

Morning Walk
March 8


Prabhupāda: …there should be any difference of amongst ourselves. We may differ from other philosophers, but why there should be any difference of philosophy amongst ourselves? id2

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There seems to be some philosophical difference. id3

Prabhupāda: That I am asking. What is that philosophical difference? [break] id4

Madhudviṣa: One of the points, obvious points, that is there is that many of the boys that are working with Siddha-svarūpa feel more allegiance to Siddha-svarūpa than they do to you. id5

Prabhupāda: That doesn’t matter. id6

Madhudviṣa: And they distribute his books instead of your books on the street. Which is a fact. id7

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Which is a lie. id8

Madhudviṣa: Which is a fact. id9

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Why do you do like that? Why do you say like that? id10

Madhudviṣa: Because I have seen it in New Zealand. I have been there myself. id11

Prabhupāda: No, no, if he denies that… id12

Siddha-svarūpānanda: You know that they distribute Prabhupāda’s books, but they can’t give them away as cheaply, that’s all. id13

Madhudviṣa: Back to Godhead is very cheap. It is twelve cents a piece. id14

Siddha-svarūpānanda: They give those away. They give those away. id15

Madhudviṣa: It is twelve cents a piece. You cannot say that. id16

Siddha-svarūpānanda: But anyway… id17

Jayatīrtha: One of Siddha-svarūpa’s men bought some Bhagavad-gītās from us in Los Angeles, several cases, so they are distributing Prabhupāda’s books at least as well, along with others. id18

Prabhupāda: No, I think… id19

Siddha-svarūpānanda: I just bought five thousand dollars’ worth of Bhagavad-gītās. id20

Madhudviṣa: That’s very good. id21

Siddha-svarūpānanda: What is it for? id22

Madhudviṣa: And they give them away. id23

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Thank you. [sarcastically:] Thank you, God. id24

Prabhupāda: No, no, even giving them away, what is the wrong? id25

Madhudviṣa: Well, you said we should not give the books away. You said we should sell these books. id26

Prabhupāda: [chuckles] No, no, he has purchased. He has purchased. Then if you purchase from me and if you give free to others, so what is my loss? id27

Madhudviṣa: No, there is no loss. id28

Siddha-svarūpānanda: I’m not giving away his books. id29

Prabhupāda: No, no, even if he gives away, this is not a fault, you see? Suppose there are… In South Africa many Indians are purchasing our books and giving to the library. So somebody will read it. So that is not a fault. If I purchase from you and give it, distribute it free to somebody else, that is not wrong thing. id30

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I don’t think that there’s any difference in philosophical understanding or anything. I think just the basic point that there’s different ways of working, in a sense, and I won’t… id31

Prabhupāda: So that should be adjusted, because we have to work. If we make differences amongst ourselves, then how work will…? id32

Guru-kṛpā: I think, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that the difference is that we are willing to spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness according to your instructions, but… id33

Prabhupāda: That should… That should be. That is the… id34

Guru-kṛpā: But Siddha…, they have their own way; they think they can influence people to take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, which is more or less not fully presenting Kṛṣṇa consciousness in a way of complete surrender—in other words, they are keeping hairs and are not full-time devotees, such as we are—to spread it all over the world. id35

Siddha-svarūpānanda: You mean they’re not surrendered to you personally, Guru-kṛpā. It means they’re not working with you personally. Unless somebody accepts you or this person or that person… id36

Guru-kṛpā: I’m not… No one accepts me. id37

Siddha-svarūpa: …then you get upset. id38

Prabhupāda: No, I don’t wish to agitate your mind. I want that if there is any difference, that should be adjusted, and we must preach combinedly. That is my point. id39

Siddha-svarūpānanda: So there is no… As far as… Well, you have to judge yourself. I can’t… As far as I’m concerned, I try to get people to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and distribute prasādam, and as far as possible distribute books freely or for charge. id40

Guru-kṛpā: But the chanting is without surrender to the spiritual master. id41

Siddha-svarūpānanda: If I’m trying to get people to chant, that’s all I can do. And if that will purify them, then surrender will come. How can I force someone to surrender? id42

Prabhupāda: No, no, what do you mean by surrender? id43

Guru-kṛpā: I mean that… id44

Prabhupāda: Not that everywhere you are preaching, you are expected all of them will be surrendered immediately. That is not expected. Suppose you are preaching amongst hundreds and thousands of men. So it is not expected that all of them will be immediately surrendered. Is it possible? id45

Devotees: No. id46

Prabhupāda: Then? id47

Madhudviṣa: The point is that many of the men that are following the principles strictly, due to his influence have gone away and have slackened their principles. And that is a fact. Like getting up early for maṅgala ārati. That is not stressed so much. And cutting of the hair. That is not stressed so much. id48

Siddha-svarūpānanda: How do you know these things? You have never lived with me, nor have you ever heard a lecture I have given. id49

Madhudviṣa: I have experienced the devotees who have been influenced by you. id50

Prabhupāda: Anyway, whatever is done is done. Now let us make some adjustment [chuckles] and work combinedly. That is my proposal. id51

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, the problem is that to work combinedly, they think that that means that I surrender to them and I do everything as they say; otherwise I am not surrendering. So as far as I am concerned, I cannot work with them; there is no possibility of that. And yet I don’t want to make trouble with them, but I have to try to work as best as I can. But there is no way that I’m going to be able to be organized and controlled by them. People who’ve tried to control me before are now spiritually dead and gone, and I’m not going to put myself under the protection of any of these boys who consider themselves to be great sannyāsīs or whatever, and it’s just not possible for me to do it. I’ve tried it before. So I have to try to work as best as I can, not get in their way, and follow your instructions as best as possible, getting people to chant, following the principles myself. id52

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: May I ask a question? What is your feeling about the GBC? id53

Siddha-svarūpānanda: I don’t know anything about it, and I don’t really care about organizing it. I don’t care about… id54

Prabhupāda: So why don’t you become a GBC and… id55

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Because I can’t work… There’s no way. id56

Prabhupāda: No… id57

Atreya Ṛṣi: Śrīla Prabhupāda, there is one point: that each of us thinks that our understanding of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the only way. We must realize that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is much bigger, much, much bigger than our only concept that “This is bona fide, and this is the only way Prabhupāda wants it.” We must appreciate that Prabhupāda is approving all of these ways, including how Siddha-svarūpa Mahārāja is preaching, and we must be more tolerant and accept each other. This is not un–bona fide. I’ve read his books. id58

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda… id59

Atreya Ṛṣi: Yes, this is it. You are bringing in… id60

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: May I ask a question? id61

Madhudviṣa: Prabhupāda, you have said that in the tree, the Caitanya tree, there is many branches, but they all have to have the same taste. id62

Atreya Ṛṣi: Well, he has the taste. id63

Madhudviṣa: So therefore the essence of the philosophy must be there. And you have also said that the meaning of disciple means discipline. So the devotees have to be trained certain disciplines in their devotional life. id64

Prabhupāda: Discipline… Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must be. That should be uniform. Otherwise, śiṣya… Śiṣya, the word śiṣya, it comes from the root, verb, śās-dhātu. Śās. Śās means “ruling.” From this word, śāsana. Śāsana means “government.” Śāstra. Śastra means “weapon,” and śāstra, “scripture,” and śiṣya… These things have come from the one root—śās-dhātu. So śās-dhātu means ruling under discipline. So there is another English word, that “Obedience is the first law of discipline,” or something. They say “Obedience is the first law of discipline”? So I am right? “Obedience is…”? That is the… id65

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, that’s more or less what it is. id66

Prabhupāda: No, what is the word, exact? There is an English word. “Obedience is the first law of discipline.” So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. Disciple means one who follows the discipline. So… id67

Siddha-svarūpānanda: So there is no disagreement with that. I have no disagreement. id68

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the point. That is… id69

Siddha-svarūpānanda: But I consider that discipline and the person being disciplined must be voluntary. He must voluntarily put himself under someone’s discipline. id70

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is… Accepting spiritual master means voluntarily accepting somebody to rule him. There is no question… I have no power to rule over you unless you voluntarily surrender. id71

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Yes. id72

Prabhupāda: I am Indian. Why you Americans, you should obey me? You have done it voluntarily. Yes. So, [chuckles] in India they appreciate me only on this point, that I am Indian; how I am controlling so many Americans? That is their appreciation. [laughter] So this acceptance of guru means voluntarily surrender. Yes. Śiṣyas te ‘haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam [Bg. 2.7]. The instruction is there in the… They were friends, Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna. From material point of view, they are equal. He is also belonging to the royal family, he is also belonging to the royal family, and they are cousin-brothers, equal footing, friend. But still, Arjuna said, “Now there is no solution. I become Your disciple.” Śiṣyas te ‘haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam: “I surrender.” And this is sisya, surrender. And then lessons on Bhagavad-gītā began. So we have to surrender voluntarily; otherwise discipline cannot be implemented. id73

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Yes. id74

Prabhupāda: That is wanted. Śiṣyas te ‘haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam. id75

Guru-kṛpā: Śrīla Prabhupāda, it mentions in The Nectar of Devotion that in the viddhi-mārga there are many things we don’t want to do but we must do in order to make advancement. id76

Prabhupāda: No, that is also modern government, democracy. I do not want to do something, but the Parliament pass the laws, we have to do, even I do not like. That is discipline. Just like C. R. Das. C. R. Das was one of the prominent member of Indian Congress. So he was earning in those days, fifty years ago, fifty thousand rupees per month. It is twenty times now increased. Fifty years before he was… id77

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nowadays ten lakhs per month. id78

Prabhupāda: At least five lakhs he was earning. So the Congress resolution was that noncooperation, so “Boycott British court. We are not going on.” So resolution that everyone should give up practice of law in the British court. Resolution. So C. R. Das did not like that idea. He said that “I am earning fifty thousand. I can give the whole amount for Congress propaganda. Why you are asking me to give up this practice?” So the resolution was, “No, we should noncooperate. We don’t want money. We should noncooperate.” So when… He fought in the meeting that “This should be withdrawn.” So it was not withdrawn. Then he resigned. Then he resigned. He became practically poverty-stricken, because he was earning fifty thousand rupees per month, and he had no practice, and he was not keeping any money in the bank. When he resigned, then some of his friend, Muhammad Ali… He was also one of the prominent members. He asked, “Mr. Das, what is your bank balance?” So he replied, “I do not know what is my bank balance, but I know I am debtor to the bank by two lakhs.” The bank was giving him credit, so this was his position. id79

So my point is that when the… He fought his best, that “This resolution should be withdrawn, boycott of British court,” but it was not done. But although he was very strong protester, still he had to do it. This is modern democracy. If the majority votes is in favor of something, even if I do not like it, I’ll have to accept it. That is, of course, the so-called democracy. That…, we do not accept that. Our obedience is to the spiritual master. So in this way we should… If there is any misunderstanding, this should be adjusted and we should work wholeheartedly, because our responsibility is very great. We are trying to contribute something to the whole world. It is not a fashion. It is not a fashion. The whole world is suffering for want of God consciousness, so we are trying to give it to the world, God consciousness, in a systematic way, so that they may be highly benefited. So this is the purpose. But if there is some misunderstanding… id80

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is the actual disagreement? id81

Prabhupāda: Huh? id82

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is the actual disagreement? id83

Prabhupāda: No, disagreement in the matter of process. You are thinking this way; he is thinking that way. That is the difference. Otherwise he is also eager to push on Kṛṣṇa consciousness; you are also. Yes. id84

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The thing is, both of them are claiming that you are thinking their way. id85

Siddha-svarūpānanda: No, I can’t… id86

Prabhupāda: Now that should be adjusted now. id87

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. What is the fact? id88

Prabhupāda: I shall give my verdict which is my way. Then you have to accept. id89

Siddha-svarūpānanda: My method is… id90

Prabhupāda: Not your way, not his way. Let me understand what is the way you are trying to follow, what is the way he is trying to follow. Now I shall give my verdict, that “This is the right way.” id91

Yaśodānandana: Jaya Prabhupāda. id92

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That’s it. That is the best thing. id93

Siddha-svarūpānanda: So I am offensive, Śrīla Prabhupāda. id94

Prabhupāda: You are agreeable to that? id95

Siddha-svarūpānanda: Yes. id96

Prabhupāda: Then thank you, no more talk now. We shall talk later. [break] id97

Brahmānanda: He should… He should cook? id98

Prabhupāda: I do not know. What is the harm? But he does not like… id99

Child: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda! id100

Prabhupāda: Hmm. id101

Bhāvānanda: That short man we passed, Prabhupāda, on the way, coming in? id102

Prabhupāda: With so much bunch of hair. Who are these men? Oh, they’re working. id103

Bhāvānanda: They’re paṇḍāl… id104

Jayapatāka: They are making a paṇḍāl. id105

Prabhupāda: [aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa. Black and white frame. id106

Guru-kṛpā: Salt and pepper. id107

Prabhupāda: Actually, our this Society is United Nation. And if we become disunited, then it is very difficult to adjust. [break] Yes. Linguist. id108

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hindi also? id109

Prabhupāda: I don’t know. [break] id110

Yaśodānandana: Parikramā. id111

Prabhupāda: Parikramā? id112

Yaśodānandana: Acyutānanda Mahārāja just went to Calcutta to arrange everything. id113

Prabhupāda: What is to arrange in Calcutta? id114

Yaśodānandana: Well, all the devotees are coming, and they will be going to Śantipur, and when they come back, they will… We’re working a schedule to take all the devotees to the various parikramā spots. id115

Prabhupāda: No, that’s all right. I mean to say, if we make a procession, then first of all… That is my suggestion. Make the devotees first, chanting, all the devotees. And then the Deity, carrying. And then my carriage, er, my car, and then all the buses. So devotees who become tired, they can sit down in the bus and again go on. And keep one big pot of halavā so that others may be distributed, and the devotees, when they are hungry, they can also eat. [laughter] In this way make. How do you like this arrangement? id116

Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: We’ll do it. id117

Hari-śauri: I think you’ll need more than one pot of halavā. [laughter] id118

Pusta Kṛṣṇa: I think we’ll make devotees on the way. id119

Prabhupāda: And so long the festival goes on, we shall keep always ready one big pot of halavā. Anyone comes, give him this. Anyone comes to visit. While going, take in a leaf, what is called, leaf cup. Give him halavā. id120

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everyone on the way. id121

Prabhupāda: Everyone. id122

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That’s up and down this road. id123

Prabhupāda: No. No, no. Anyone who comes within the temple… id124

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, I mean… id125

Guru-kṛpā: The devotees, and then the Deities, then your private car… id126

Prabhupāda: But that is procession. In the temple… id127

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Generally, cup with prasādam. id128

Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone should be given prasādam. Yes. Jaya. [kīrtana as Prabhupāda approaches temple] [end] id129

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