Morning Walk

Morning Walk
July 17
New York


[in car] id2

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Let’s go. Just go. id3

Prabhupāda: [break] …in this bus. id4

Kīrtanānanda: Oh, you traveled in the bus. Yes, it was comfortable. [break] id5

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, there’s about two hundred and fifty devotees here now. id6

Prabhupāda: That’s nice. Make the whole city your [indistinct]. id7

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It’s very nice. We can handle all of these devotees, I think, very comfortably. id8

Prabhupāda: All facilities are there. id9

Kīrtanānanda: Kṛṣṇa is giving all facility. [break] id10

Prabhupāda: …distributing free, thirteen hundred or thirteen thousand? id11

Kīrtanānanda: Thirteen thousand. id12

Prabhupāda: Daily. id13

Rāmeśvara: Inconceivable. id14

Kīrtanānanda: That is inconceivable wealth. id15

Prabhupāda: Huh? id16

Kīrtanānanda: That is inconceivable wealth. And they were fully decorated. id17

Rāmeśvara: We can never imagine where all those cows were able to be situated. id18

Prabhupāda: No, something[?] like it[?]. The whole world. id19

Rāmeśvara: Full of cows. id20

Kīrtanānanda: Yes, a few years ago we couldn’t conceive of distributing twenty thousand Back to Godheads a month. [laughs] id21

Prabhupāda: We started with five hundred. What was that machine? id22

Kīrtanānanda: Mimeograph. Then I think it went to two thousand, then to five thousand. id23

Rāmeśvara: Now for December we are printing two million copies. Last year we printed one million copies, so this year we must double. Two million copies in one month. id24

Kīrtanānanda: Wonderful. id25

Prabhupāda: It is all Kṛṣṇa’s mercy. You have seen the first copy? They have brought photograph from… Which library? id26

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Congress Library in Washington. They found the original… id27

Prabhupāda: Yes. I do not know how they got my… id28

Rāmeśvara: Oh, your original, from India. id29

Prabhupāda: Yes, 1944, the first copy. [indistinct] I get them from selling. Perhaps they had been, American. id30

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Very thick. It was a thick magazine. id31

Prabhupāda: In those days I was spending three hundred rupees per month. id32

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That was a lot. id33

Prabhupāda: Yes, three hundred rupees, nowadays at least ten times. Three hundred, ten times? id34

Kīrtanānanda: Three thousand. id35

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: At least three thousand. I think even perhaps more, Prabhupāda. id36

Prabhupāda: Yes, not less than. id37

Kīrtanānanda: Say five hundred dollars a month? id38

Prabhupāda: And I was not getting any return. id39

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How were you getting so much money? id40

Prabhupāda: My income, poor income, from my business. id41

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh. [aside:] Prabhupāda took us past Seventy-second Street the other day, also showed us this place. id42

Rāmeśvara: He showed us the fruit store where he would buy fruit. id43

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: [indistinct] shop. id44

Prabhupāda: Harer nāma [Cc. Ādi 17.21]id45

Kīrtanānanda: Those early days. My best memories are those early days. Especially the morning classes, when you’d be sitting behind the desk… id46

Prabhupāda: Yes. id47

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: …and the sun would just be coming in. Prabhupāda would talk for an hour. id48

Prabhupāda: Only Hayagrīva, you and… id49

Kīrtanānanda: Umāpati. id50

Rāmeśvara: Mukunda. id51

Prabhupāda: Not Mukunda. One, that… id52

Kīrtanānanda: Sometimes Carl would come, sometimes Jim Green. Not very often, they wouldn’t come. id53

Prabhupāda: Brahmānanda later on. id54

Kīrtanānanda: Rāyarāma would come. id55

Prabhupāda: Rāyarāma. id56

Kīrtanānanda: Satsvarūpa came, started coming, and he would go to work after class. id57

Prabhupāda: Ah. id58

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Always very responsible. id59

Prabhupāda: At that time Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja was taking one cāpāṭi. id60

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Whew! Only? id61

Prabhupāda: Yes. id62

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nothing else? id63

Prabhupāda: I would offer. He would take one or two, that’s all. Later on, one dozen. [laughter] And that boy? [laughing] id64

Kīrtanānanda: Stryadīśa. id65

Prabhupāda: He would take at least twenty cāpāṭis. id66

Devotees: Wow! id67

Prabhupāda: “Stryadīśa, can I offer you?” “Yes.” I gave four. Again finished, again four. id68

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You must have been surprised to see how much they could eat. id69

Prabhupāda: Well, I was not surprised. He was young man, very stout and strong. id70

Kīrtanānanda: Originally, we all ate from Prabhupāda’s plate, though. There was one plate of prasādam, and Prabhupāda would just give little, little to everybody. And everybody would be satisfied. id71

Rāmeśvara: It is the great weapon, prasādam. id72

Prabhupāda: I used to keep some prasādam. Anyone would come, I would give. id73

Kīrtanānanda: After class also you always distributed some prasādam. After kīrtana and class. id74

Prabhupāda: Yes. I was clapping my hands. In meeting, I used to collect not less than six dollars, not more than twenty dollars. And that was… id75

Rāmeśvara: Daily. id76

Prabhupāda: Not daily. id77

Kīrtanānanda: Three times a week. id78

Prabhupāda: Three times. [break] …used to come sometimes. id79

Rāmeśvara: Prabhupāda said he sold his books then; they ordered his books. id80

Prabhupāda: Yes, they purchased my books. In Butler also, many churches would purchase. id81

Rāmeśvara: This month the first volume of Eighth Canto is going to the printers. id82

Prabhupāda: Seventh Canto, last volume, you saw? id83

Kīrtanānanda: Jaya. id84

Rāmeśvara: That reporter yesterday, he was surprised you had written so many books. id85

Kīrtanānanda: Any intelligent man would be surprised. It is unbelievable, so many books. id86

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where is there an author who has written so many books? id87

Kīrtanānanda: In so short time. id88

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They don’t know how to control their senses. This is inspirational [indistinct]. id89

Rāmeśvara: Prabhupāda told us yesterday that one Sanskritist was appreciating the Harvard classics very much as being very important in educating people about Indian culture, but Prabhupāda’s books are even better. id90

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: He said “insurpassable.” “Prabhupāda’s books are insurpassable.” id91

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That man was the chief of the Benares school? id92

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Sanskrit department. id93

Prabhupāda: Very learned scholar in Sanskrit. Titles in Sanskrit. [break] id94

[out of car] id95

Hṛdayānanda: …Ratha-yātrā, “No Parking. Sunday Parade.” id96

Prabhupāda: You convince the authorities of America that my logic, andha-paṅgor nyāya. id97

Kīrtanānanda: What is that? id98

Prabhupāda: Andha-paṅgor nyāya. Who will explain this? Andha-paṅgor nyāya, lame and blind logic. id99

Hṛdayānanda: Ah, lame and blind. id100

Bali-mardana: Oh, yes. I told a reporter that just a few days ago. id101

Prabhupāda: America is blind by money. Dhana-madāndha: when one gets too much money he becomes blind. Dhana-durmadāndha. Tasmād bhajanti kavayo dhana-durmadāndha. To get too much riches means he becomes fool…, er, blind. He doesn’t care. So this blindness of America. And we Indians, we have no money, but we have got culture. Combine together, then things will be very nicely done for the good of the whole world. Simply money is not the end; there must be culture. Take that culture, Vedic culture, and use it by American money, then the whole world will be paradise, Vaikuṇṭha. In India one paper, Sunday, they have published a nice article about us: “Kṛṣṇa Consciousness Catches On.” id102

Kīrtanānanda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness what? id103

Prabhupāda: Catches on. id104

Hari-śauri: It begins by saying that the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement has had an amazing cultural impact on India in the last two years. id105

[pause] id106

Prabhupāda: Stone houses, or brick? id107

Bali-mardana: Stone. id108

Prabhupāda: Stone? id109

Bali-mardana: Yes. Now they cannot afford to make it like that. id110

Prabhupāda: In Jaipur still there are so many nice craftsmen, and they charge very little. id111

Bali-mardana: Jaipur. id112

Prabhupāda: Jaipur, yes. id113

Bali-mardana: We should bring some to Māyāpur and live there… id114

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. id115

Bali-mardana: …and train others. [break] id116

Prabhupāda: Just like New Vrindavan, they have a dozen brahmacārīs. id117

Kīrtanānanda: They have an expert teacher, Gopīnātha. id118

Prabhupāda: Also Los Angeles. [break] …and big, big city like Calcutta, Bombay, there are many, many more pigeons. Why they are so small? id119

Kīrtanānanda: They kill them. id120

Prabhupāda: Kill. id121

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They kill them? id122

Devotee: They poison them. id123

Kīrtanānanda: They put poison feed out. id124

Prabhupāda: Ah, killing experts. id125

Kīrtanānanda: This civilization is that “If you cause a little disturbance to my sense gratification, I will kill you.” id126

Prabhupāda: But there is a civilization, I saw it practically, that there is no disturbance in our Pennsylvania farm. The cats, the dogs, the cows, the boys, children, they are living like family. In your farm also. Wonderful. The cats are not afraid of the dogs. Living very peacefully. [break] id127

Hṛdayānanda: They are showing paintings from a museum in Spain. [break] id128

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: …posters advertising Ratha-yātrā. id129

Prabhupāda: Hmm? Yes. id130

[break] [in car] id131

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa has come here in a previous [indistinct]. id132

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: His pure devotee will also come here, and therefore He’s bringing [indistinct] for you. id133

Prabhupāda: Yes, Caitanya Mahāprabhu goes with His associates; He does not go alone. Sa-pārṣadam. Sāṅgopāṅgāstra-pārṣadam. id134

kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣākṛṣṇaṁ
yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair
yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ
[SB 11.5.32]

There is saṅkīrtana-yajña, everything will improve very gradually. [break] Now the government has not given any opposition. That is very good. In India, our own government is giving little opposition. id135

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The Constitution of the United States gives great deal of protection for civil rights, religious freedom. id136

Prabhupāda: Therefore they are so advanced. id137

Kīrtanānanda: But there’s a lot of talk now that they aren’t, so far as income tax is concerned. id138

Prabhupāda: Huh? id139

Kīrtanānanda: So far as our collecting money, they are going to maybe change some laws. id140

Prabhupāda: Religious also? id141

Kīrtanānanda: There’s a lot of talk about that now. id142

Hṛdayānanda: They’ve done that in India. The religious leaders have become such cheaters that the governments are thinking, “Why shouldn’t they pay taxes? They’re just ordinary people.” id143

Prabhupāda: Best thing is collect and spend, that’s all. id144

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Don’t bank a lot of money. id145

Prabhupāda: No. Best buildings are on this Fifth Avenue, huh? id146

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Prabhupāda. Stone buildings. They’ll last for many hundreds of years. id147

Kīrtanānanda: No, they will tear them down. id148

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Beautiful buildings. Look at them [indistinct]. On the lamp post here. Green? Right here, on the street side, both sides. Our men went wild last night. We sent out a big party putting up these posters. [whispers] The thing is, nobody will see them today. They’re in the temple. [end] id149

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