Room Conversation

Room Conversation
July 17


Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I said, “What will I eat it with?” He said, “A little sugar.” I thought he was going to give me some bread or something. He said, “No, no. Eat it just like that with sugar.” id2

Prabhupāda: Butter and miśri. id3

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They eat… The Punjabis are very fond of eating a lot of mākhana, fresh butter. id4

Bhakti-caru: They are also vegetarian. id5

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yes. id6

Prabhupāda: But Kashmiri are meat-eaters, fish-eaters. Bengali are fish-eaters. id7

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oriyas, fish-eaters. What about U.P.? id8

Prabhupāda: U.P., this ḍāl, cāpāṭi. They prepare first class. id9

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ḍāl and cāpāṭis. id10

Prabhupāda: Vegetable also. id11

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is the speciality in Punjab? id12

Prabhupāda: Punjab, this pilau. id13

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is… id14

Prabhupāda: Panir. id15

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Panir. id16

Prabhupāda: Means this chānā. id17

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. id18

Prabhupāda: They make very nice preparation. id19

Bhakti-caru: Dundhuri preparation. id20

Prabhupāda: Every province has got. id21

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is there a speciality in the Madhya Pradesh area? id22

Prabhupāda: Madhya Pradesh, they are practically South Indian. id23

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. Then every place has its special fruits and vegetables. id24

Prabhupāda: Yes. id25

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It seems in that respect that Bengal is very opulent in varieties of vegetables. id26

Prabhupāda: And fish. They prepare varieties of preparation of fish. Māche jol, māche tal, māche dal, māchera dorma.[?] They kill this jhasere koi[?] and paste with mustard and fry it in oil. [Bengali] id27

Bhakti-caru: [Bengali] id28

Prabhupāda: They know more of fish preparation and also vegetable. [Bengali] id29

Bhakti-caru: [Bengali] id30

Prabhupāda: [Bengali] Kṛṣṇa baro doyāmoy, koribāre jihwā jay [Prasāda-sevāya I]. Kṛṣṇa-prasāda… [Bengali conversation] The real fact is that this jīvo jīvasya jīvanam [SB 1.13.47], one life is food for another life. That is nature’s way. But one has to pass through so many varieties of life, evolution. Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi [Padma Purāṇa]. How many millions of years we’ll take to evolve to become a human being? Then he gets chance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Payeche mānava janma, mano rañjanam alpa.[?]. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19]. Emona janma, this janma, manuṣya-janma. And if we miss and don’t get Kṛṣṇa, again glide down. Mām aprāpya mṛtyu-saṁsāra [Bg. 9.3]. Again you fall down. I’ll eat you; you eat me. And the aquatic, 900,000 species, varieties of life. The same struggle—one fish eating another fish. Struggle within the water. A small fish can understand three miles away a big fish is coming. It is all stated in the Bhāgavatam. This struggle is going on. Then in the jungle, animals. The man-eater trees are there in Africa. Trees, man, eat man. id31

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How do they do that? id32

Prabhupāda: You go, and if you are in touch on that tree, then you cannot get out. You’ll die and you’ll become dead. id33

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They eat you? id34

Prabhupāda: Yes, the tree. id35

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They eat through the roots. id36

Prabhupāda: Yes. Spider, big, big spider. id37

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There’s a thing called the Venus Fly Trap. It’s this special plant, and if anything goes near it, it goes like that. Maybe they have big ones in Africa. id38

Prabhupāda: Simply eating competition. These American… It’s called surfer? id39

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: American…? id40

Prabhupāda: What is that sport, surfer? id41

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Surfing. You mean on the board in the water? Surfing. id42

Prabhupāda: So they may become fish next life. id43

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, you said that in a lecture in Hawaii in our temple. I remember. That really gave everybody a thought. Food for thought. id44

Prabhupāda: It is in the Bhagavad-gītā. id45

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran bhāvam tyajaty ante kalevaram [Bg. 8.6]id46

Prabhupāda: It is not my manufactured idea. Kṛṣṇa consciousness, śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda… [SB 7.5.23], this is the only way. In our childhood we used to play golo dhana.[?] You… What is called? Dice, going, going, going. Then it comes in the mouth of a serpent, and the serpent, immediately you had to come again. All progress you have made, if you are in the mouth of a serpent, then you have to come to the tail of the serpent. Suppose you are on the fifty point and there is mouth of serpent, then you have to come to point three. Again you have to rise. So dice. Golo dhana[?] We used to play in our childhood. id47

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In America they have similar game, but the different points are properties. It’s all business. They made a very involved business game. id48

Prabhupāda: That’s all right. It is same. id49

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Same principle. If you get on the wrong spot, you have to go to jail. That’s what they have. They put you in jail. Different culture. Demoniac culture. id50

Prabhupāda: Just see, practically. Indira Gandhi, she came to a point, and then falls again. Is it not? The same golo dhana[?]. She was all-in-all powerful, and once again finished. id51

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Finished. id52

Prabhupāda: Indira Gandhi—finished. President Nixon—finished. They do not see, these big, big stalwart men of the world. They can be finished in one second. Prahlāda Mahārāja said that “I have seen my father, such a powerful man, finished. What benediction I shall ask, this material world? Don’t allure me. Better engage me as the servant of Your servant.” Anything, any opulence. Now nobody utters the name of Indira Gandhi. Every… Every day the people or newspaper filled up with Indira Gandhi. That the Russian minister, Krushchev? Nobody knows where he is. id53

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He’s unknown now. id54

Prabhupāda: They said he is living privately. id55

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Why did they depose him? id56

Prabhupāda: The cause may be many, but we have to see the result. The main cause was that he was appointing his own men in big, big office. id57

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Same thing as Indira. id58

Prabhupāda: Nepotism. Indira’s plan was next prime minister, Sanjay. id59

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Family heritage. I saw one cartoon in the…, in one newspaper. It said… A little conversation between Gandhi, Nehru and Indira. They’re speaking with Cāṇakya Paṇḍita. Each one of them is discussing how he’s gone wrong. Cāṇakya is advising them what they’ve done wrong. Cāṇakya Paṇḍita is advising each one of them what they did wrong. id60

Prabhupāda: Ācchā? id61

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It’s a cartoon. [pause] I was speaking with Abhirāma today for quite a long time. Now he understands that he will… [break] [end] id62

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